Down to Earth: The Ancient Healing Powers of Grounding

[00:00:00] Jeffrey Besecker: Jonah, you share how earthing or natural grounding can not only help us reconnect with our environment, it also helps us reconnect with ourselves and an expanded sense of our universal experience. That's how I'm gonna term it today. I'd like for you to relate.

[00:00:17] From your own experience in a moment, if we will, helping people heal through the natural wisdom of both the inner and outer landscape of body and earth. so often I feel we lose touch with that connection with body and earth. As a society, as we've grown, we've kind of lost our connection in a lot of ways, and we'll get into that.

[00:00:39] I'd like to look at how this can also become a functional method of coping with grief and trauma. Can you first share with us a bit about what grounding is from that perspective?

[00:00:51] Jonah Jensen: Yeah. Well, I just like the, I guess first start with just, thinking the wider forces, you know, that brought us together to, to have this conversation and I hope that it's beneficial to.

[00:01:04] To many and that it, that it gives some voice to the, a voiceless beauty of the natural world. I mean, it's not voiceless, but I think because of sort of the forgetting and, and where we are during these times, it's, uh, forgetting and remembering and, that remembering happening all the time.

[00:01:23] So yeah, just a little prayer of, of thanks to the, to the mystery and to another earth and to our relatives and all the forces that brought us together today to have this conversation. So I'm so stoked about, kind of what we were talking about just before getting on. when I, to kind of flow into, I think you're heading it, the grounding part.

[00:01:44] Um, \ it, it's dimensional. Just the way I would answer that. And, you know, there's the actual physical grounding of like, having bare feet on the earth. but there's relational context through our dimens that we, how we can receive the earth directly the physical reality, to where that informs our system and our psyche.

[00:02:08] So, you know, we have like our five senses, our sensations, our instinct, star emotions, our minds and sort of mythic and we qualities of the self. So we, we know that dimens, the question starts in the weaving back to grounding, is that when we're receptive to the natural world, it reorganizes us. It helps us remember our sort of original design for nature.

[00:02:35] It's like, because we're resonant beings, it brings us back into alignment, And so the, the, just having your feet on the earth is one little bit of the grounding that a lot of people are aware of, right? Because we complete the circuit that way. So bare feets on the earth and, there's an electromagnetic field, , and we're reconnecting to that field, that Native American or that indigenous, you know, take your shoes off.

[00:03:01] They're making. So we start to, there's a barrier there in between with the rubber sold shoes. So that's just one basic part. but it's exciting because we're remembering our relationships. being in, in relationship again informs us and reforms us into, I think what we're here to, to do

[00:03:24] Jeffrey Besecker: in that regard.

[00:03:25] You know, at our very essence, to the best of our knowledge, I always like to try to proceed that thing with the best of our knowledge. We are energy at our core. the very environments we live in are energy at their core. All of the things that inhabit our awareness are energy at their core.

[00:03:43] in that sense. our flow of energy and the flow of the world around us are sometimes in discord, sometimes in disharmony. We lose connection with those in that regard.

[00:03:56] Jonah Jensen: Right. I love that, that you're bringing that to the, to the table. Because my view is that it's like there's this abstract reality that's sort of human centric and sort of top down, sort of like the old, \ , paradigm or, these sort of invasive, thought forms abstraction that bring us away from, I think, relating to what's already here.

[00:04:21] It's almost like we have to fight for, in a, in a certain way that it's enough, like the earth, it's enough, we are enough. And to be in relationship with that, I think is the, the healing. But there's so many things saying, We're not enough. You need more. We gotta accomplish this. But maybe it's, it's actually orienting to the balance that's already here that's being reflected through the earth, which at the heart of that is the subtle world which you're speaking to which, so Right.

[00:04:55] But that's a, that's already in balance and it knows exactly what it's doing and it's, pure. So how do we get in contact with that purity and how do we let it in and inform us? And, you know, you were talking about grief a little bit earlier before we got on. It's like also when you start to do that, it brings up our trauma and our grief and the realization of the loss of sort of that belonging

[00:05:22] Jeffrey Besecker: in that regard of often feeling like it's. Top down, you know, human beings with those things we experience below us. that can be such a misguided construct in a lot of senses as we lose touch with our humanness, as we lose touch with that fact again, that we're just simply returning to our source.

[00:05:44] Yeah. Starts a lot of that trauma in a lot of regards, and I feel we'll get back to this in a moment. How does this allow us when we return to this notion of source, to reestablish a connection with our experience, in turn allows us to reconnect with this source in ourselves? .

[00:06:01] Jonah Jensen: Through that direct contact, there's a remembering.

[00:06:04] And when we're in contact with that and we're actually receptive to it, we're letting it come to us. And then we're tracking. So like one of my favorite, descriptions of shamanism is in the Z Maya, they talked about, belonging to tracking. So like, what is tracking? For me it's, it's pain. It's how, how astute are we at paying attention to our ality?

[00:06:29] and being precise with it, and then allowing it so that it can flow. But when we include the outer world, like, you know, I do, basically wilderness therapy, which varies somatically based, that you're learning how to track that interface between our physical body and then the earth as our body.

[00:06:47] And that conversational nature of reality, is the reality. And it sort of, it's like takes more precedent over just the mind consciousness. And that leads us toward essential qualities of itself, like natural forms of dignity. You know, when we're talking about the energy world, we're talking about sacred geometries.

[00:07:08] I think like when you start to feel that, natural dignity. I think if you had a SHA and I, you would see the geometries, right? showing up in the physical body that is in the earth that is resonating as the earth itself.

[00:07:24] Jeffrey Besecker: So as I was prepping, I did a little research on that very notion of grounding and reconnecting from that somatic experience.

[00:07:33] detailing, grounding as a set of simple strategies that can help you detach from emotional pain, you know, going to one of the core sources there, detaching, from some of those connections we have formed, such as anxiety, anger, grief, sadness, and self harm.

[00:07:51] basically a way to distract ourselves to. From focusing on something other than the difficult emotions we're experiencing, simply getting out of our own head sometimes. Mm-hmm. getting into another state of being.

[00:08:05] Jonah Jensen: Right. I love that. And I mean, you are, in one way it's a distraction, you could say, but I think when it's consciously, like you're orienting to the health that is in nature through grounding or through these tracking practices, through the somatic work, you're orienting to a wider ground of, wellness.

[00:08:24] And so, and you're actually, letting that in. When that, to hit you, there's a polarity, right? It starts to feel good. You start to be able to rest in these states of, you know, greater wellbeing that are trackable. And then as that ground sort of, becomes established, you're resourcing, right?

[00:08:43] You're reconnecting the source. Then those other things that you're speaking to, like, the anger, the grief or the sadness or these more feeling states that are harder to stay with. They have literally more ground to alchemize, right? So the earth has a great holding field for, transforming and renegotiating trauma.

[00:09:05] Cause I think, and just as tangent, I guess, but one of, I think the greatest traumas is the, the loss of the sense of known belonging to the, to the greater family. Like there's been a disconnect there.

[00:09:21] Jeffrey Besecker: Yeah. So often we form a lot of those notions based on our. Biological and historical families, and I'd have to agree that in that regard, you know, we lose that greater connection to that bigger familial body that is just humanness.

[00:09:41] Jonah Jensen: Mm-hmm. . Yeah.

[00:09:43] I think, you know, we're designed to forward togetherness in relationship and, uh, yeah. I think when we get in that abstraction too much, creates a whole world and not necessarily receptive or in, in, it's like disconnected from the dance of life a bit,

[00:10:03] Jeffrey Besecker: in that regard. So often, you know, we find ourselves then as we're disconnected, On that path of loneliness, that path of feeling left out.

[00:10:12] Sometimes feeling isolated and at its worse, sometimes feeling ostracized or castigate, as we're moving into states where we're being judged. That's a little bit of a disconnect from where we're going, but ultimately showing where that road

[00:10:29] Jonah Jensen: leads. Mm-hmm.

[00:10:31] Yeah, I think about, judgment , could be seen maybe as a sort of invasion to the psyche. and I think maybe as we establish ourselves more, uh, with the earth and with spirit, we, we start to maybe one that we start to perceive it earlier. So we catch it, you know, as it's happening.

[00:10:53] And then two, maybe we have the ground to be able to see whose voice is who and like where that belongs in the framework of our sort of boundaries of our wellness. So I think, you know, like with somatic work,, we're saying no to judgment and these sort of invasive, forces. Like, you know, you're not enough or you're off or whatever it is.

[00:11:16] we have the right to our experience as dimensional being, and that's not fluffy. It's just basically we have our five senses, we have our emotions, we have our, a direct experience that we can be in contact with. It's gorgeous, actually. It's full of wonder if you're in contact with it.

[00:11:34] And inspiration and creativity. I don't know what that force is that tries to kind of knock that down, but it, it's there. Right? It's there.

[00:11:44] Jeffrey Besecker: Perhaps our own insecurity.

[00:11:46] you know, the right nature of uncertainty forces us into that kind of questioning, into that fearful state of insecurity.

[00:11:54] You know? Yeah. Do we have to infinitely know what it is that's out there before we just accept it in and say, but it is what it is.

[00:12:03] Jonah Jensen: Well, yeah. And, you know, just speaking a little more to boundaries too, is you know, I think we need to support each other in conscious ways to say no, like an inner psychic, no.

[00:12:13] completing incomplete, self-protective responses is the way they say it in the trauma world. Um, and then we do it in different ways. Sometimes. Yeah. It's that more mental sort of psychic noise of like, No, you can't do that. You know, You can't be free to just enjoy life and the beauty and get out there and work harder and get more and all that.

[00:12:34] You know, there's, it's a fine line, right? Of course we want to create and make more beauty, but I think deepening the relationship, is where it's at. Not creating more for the sake of more.

[00:12:45] Jeffrey Besecker: We've spoke about getting out there, out in the nature to get in here, pointing to our body, you know, gesturing inward might seem a little bit contradicting.

[00:12:55] Going out to get in, looking at that somatic experience. We're gonna turn our focus inward, as we've mentioned, that somatic body, that somatic connection, and that somatic experience being simply. In meaning soma of the body and how that body then connects with nature, connects with the world around us.

[00:13:15] Some of the benefits, Let's look at some of the benefits of Somatic connection and bringing coherence to our somatic experience.

[00:13:23] Calming the nerves, calming the nervous system, lowering the blood pressure, releasing the imprint of trauma, both emotional and physical increases

[00:13:32] Proprioception, otherwise known as Kinesthesia, or 6 cents In layman's term, proprioception is our body's ability to sense movement, action, and location. The aspect of intelligence, which is about sens. And control

[00:13:49] Jonah Jensen: and can

[00:13:49] Jeffrey Besecker: also release stress and promotes better sleep. What exactly happens when we connect with the outdoors in order to reconnect with ourselves?

[00:13:59] Jonah Jensen: Well, I think, you know, one of the, the fun things is we feel good, we feel better and sounds simple, but I mean, so I mean, we go out, sit by the river, you know, people go fishing, people like to get outdoors.

[00:14:13] Why they may not know directly, what's happening, in their dimensional being what's happening, but. I feel like we're actually designed to synchronize with the great mystery that is, manifested into the form through directly as nature itself. And we are nature itself.

[00:14:35] So when we're in nature future, we are getting into sync that original design and we start to feel good again because we're coming into residence again, just plain drum. It's the living drum, you know, it's a living drum. It's always sounding. And our, my job, as an individual these days and as a facilitator, for healing is to, to help others be receptive to that.

[00:15:03] again, one of the main ways is our five senses. , and for example, you can bring your awareness from your head, your heart to your belly. That's already a huge victory, with trauma cuz trauma goes upwards towards our head. So if you can rest in our belly more and, and go out into the natural world, and then with our five senses, for example, like just the sense of sight, you could let that tree come to you or that butterfly.

[00:15:28] I live in Taos,, New Mexico and I used butterflies that cruise through the canyon or like the size of small birds. They're amazing. They're huge. And, and if you have some of these skills, See, feel that beauty of that being that once flew right behind my shoulders today I was down at the ver morning kind of preparing for this talk and I thought she was gonna land on my shoulders.

[00:15:53] She didn't quite, but it was close enough to where I could, if I could track, I could feel and sense her or him butterfly , and then see what happens in my body right under the skin. And that's a somatic doorway to, um, you know, my teacher, Anna Chi, who was a mentor of mine at the Colorado School of Studies, she uses the term somatic blueprint.

[00:16:21] And I love that because if you tune in and receive these qualities from either a tree or from like that butterfly, I could feel and sense that. Then it opens a doorway to more my essence. And so if you see or receive like a, a giant redwood tree, the same thing. If you good, good at tracking what happens under the skin.

[00:16:43] There's a whole world that starts to open up.

[00:16:45] Jeffrey Besecker: That's

[00:16:46] such a beautiful experience to look at. just moving ourself into stillness and opening up to that acceptance. As we open up to that acceptance, we see how the world simply comes to us.

[00:16:59] Jonah Jensen: Right.

[00:17:00] Jeffrey Besecker: We're not chasing, we're not pursuing, Yeah. We're just simply flowing with the natural rhythm. Getting back to that notion of the drum,

[00:17:08] Jonah Jensen: and she's happy too. The earth is happy too. It's fine. Like, wait, like patiently waiting for us to receive her. And then our, may all of our parts synchronize with her part.

[00:17:23] May my body synchronize with the river, with all these subtle dimensions. And then we slowly are being put back together or remembering our body is literally coming back together with our outer body of, patima on the earth.

[00:17:40] Jeffrey Besecker: So often I feel we get caught up in the act of marching to the beat of our own drum or banging our own drum.

[00:17:48] Making a lot of cla noise sometimes. Yeah. What is that drum doing? But keeping rhythm, when we think of our somatic experience, what keeps rhythm for us, our heart. Mm-hmm. . I like looking at that connection there, if we might, with somatic heart rate coherence. ultimately when we are in tune with things, our heart is also literally beating in tune with that vibration of not only our experience, but the world around us.

[00:18:21] Mm-hmm. .

[00:18:23] Jonah Jensen: Yeah. It's, uh, a felt coherent there, a stillness and, uh, a "knowing",. And I think that it brings us back contact with the thread of our soul, you know, that thin line of the soul that reconnects us to why we came. So, the purpose orienta, Yes. Our body synchronizes, our heart rate changes, our blood flow, everything changes.

[00:18:48] The chemistry completely changes. And with that there's a, um, a resonance. And in that resonance also with that resonance is safety, right? We start, we're feeling safe. So we talk about the autonomic nervous system. Mm-hmm. is, is there. And, and that to me is, it's a handshake between spirit and matter.

[00:19:10] It's a direct connect. So not only is our autonomic nervous system regulated, but we're more attuned to spirit. We're in tune with spirit. And then we can start to have contact with why we are here, not what society told us we're here to do, not what the cultural conditioning is saying, but from our direct connection to nature and spirit, I think is sort of the revolution is going, you know, ancient future.

[00:19:37] If we wanna, protect the earth and these, you know, start to make creative things, that's, it's gonna come from there, I believe, not from trying to abstract it more and escape instead more relationship and contact to the primary element, which is the, I think brings us back to the soul remembering the indigenous souls.

[00:20:02] What Martin tell you is, he calls it the indigenous soul, right? And that's no matter who you are, if you, connect to your ancestry, go back far enough, you know, there's a, there's a line there to our belonging. And so that disconnect is, I think is there and is being healed and, um, It's a whole kind of worms and the social political implications of belonging.

[00:20:27] how do we start to feel that again when we've been displaced? You know, I live in the US but my ancestors are from Denmark and Greece and West Asia, so, I'm not indigenous to New Mexico. .

[00:20:44] Jeffrey Besecker: I think we decided that a lot of times where our, our further origins reach,

[00:20:51] Jonah Jensen: right? Yeah. And to pay full homage and respect to the people where we're at.

[00:20:57] And then the hopes of that we could get a taste of belonging wherever we're at. Like when I go down to the Bitter or when I'm on the, on the mes. I'm doing everything I can to connect to the direct elemental components and, and the relatives there seeing homage to the original people. How can I support them as the leaders to that place, to this place in New Mexico?

[00:21:21] And that's my view is that the indigenous people across the earth are the true leaders. And you know, the ones we, we need to be listening to during these times. And the somatic world is so exciting because we can all start to remember, and we all have the, we're getting the tools again to remember that reality.

[00:21:43] Jeffrey Besecker: Turning this a little bit here into that somatic experience and looking back again at that energetic connection at Alpha Beta. Delta and theta currents, which eventually, you know, surfaced within our brains. they're the occurrence moving throughout our body. Your brain has nerve cells that fire electronic signals day and night forming distinctively arrangements called brainwave patterns. The very rhythms of your brain, you know, which also incidentally originate in, synchronize within the beating of your own heart. These highly unique patterns are closely connected to your thoughts, your emotions, your moods, biological chemistry, everything you do, and really everything that you and I both are.

[00:22:31] Also connecting with everything that is beyond us. Not necessarily beyond us in that sense. Yeah, because they're automatically. I just disconnected myself, , everything we interact with. Let me shift that and bring it back into coherence, .

[00:22:50] Jonah Jensen: Oh, it's so beautiful what you're saying. Because it's like, you know, it's like, you know, another one of my mentors say is like, sneaking in the side door, you can actually feel good first.

[00:23:03] Mm-hmm. And then when you feel good, you know, like we, we are such a, we wanna fix the problem, but through somatic experiencing and these forms of, um, remembering, uh, we actually start to just have that direct resonance and then we can like track the openings and the, the pleasure and the pleasant qualities and that opens us even more.

[00:23:24] And of course, the other polarities there, the traumas there and the grief and all that, but. When we start to, to feel good first through these practices, then the mind, what's exciting to me is then the mind becomes in service to that. We don't need our mind so much, actually. Like, it's more like a rhythm of belonging.

[00:23:45] It's more like a rhythm of that drum -. The living drum. . And I think the, you know, the revolution is, is we're, it's an ancient remembering and we're getting into contact with that, you know, living drum, again. And then that is what guiding not what our ideas of what should be happening if we're taking a knee to this greater rhythm, and then that's informing our action.

[00:24:11] And so to me, that's the sacred masculine that everyone's talking about. To me, the sacred masculine is deep ying, deep receptivity to the earth, belonging, reverence to where it settles us so much and we feel so good. And all of a sudden that's where the, the uprising of creativity and action and protection protecting our environment because we belong to it and we love it so much.

[00:24:38] So that is an interesting spin, but kind of right in the wave of it can help purpose, It can get us on track with what we're doing with our life. It could help the come back into a healthy balance. Why are we here as, you know, as the masculine identifying those that identify that way? Where does that come from in a healthy way?

[00:24:59] Is it, taught? Nor is it. taking control and power over other, or is it about resonance, receptivity, belonging and wellness. And then with that, the action. So it's like feeling good first is an amazing thing

[00:25:17] Jeffrey Besecker: in that sense. We're energetically and metaphysically getting our ducks in a row, right?

[00:25:24] In that regard, it makes sense when our ducks prefer the outdoors,

[00:25:31] Are ducks truly happy inside? . You know, I don't know, do we ever ask the ducks? But yeah, I dunno. It might be more safe to assume that they prefer the outdoors .

[00:25:44] Jonah Jensen: Yeah, I think it's in the design, but I, uh, to, to be more contact. That way, .

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[00:25:54] Jeffrey Besecker: So I'm gonna reel this back a little. I know we've went really deep into looking at kind of that experience in the more kind of metaphysical of it.

[00:26:05] Let's look at what role trauma plays with our somatic experience and how reco, reconnecting with the nature guides us back.

[00:26:14] Jonah Jensen: Hmm. Yeah. Well, so yeah, So trauma is, uh, trauma is a memory, right? It's usually not happening right now. If it is, then that's more threat, different. so when we are working with trauma, we're meeting, two time zones.

[00:26:32] Mm-hmm. , we're having a living memory of something that happened in the past. And then, simple way to say how we start to heal trauma is we meet it with the, with presence , of the now. So as far as the earth's role on that, is it such a powerful catalyst as a doorway to now and as a great holding of the polarity of that trauma, which is safety.

[00:26:56] Cause when we had memory, we didn't have enough resources to actually be with our experience. and our, you know, our system also has very sophisticated ways that, you know, disassociating and doing these things that keep kind of protect us, you know, So trauma arises again so that we can meet it again with more presence.

[00:27:15] And the earth is just where's at and providing ground, uh, spiritual ground. And, and presence to, to hold these traumas.

[00:27:26] Jeffrey Besecker: What better way to establish that solid ground and to just simply get our feet back out into nature? We literally,

[00:27:34] Jonah Jensen: Yeah, we're literally stepping out. We literally, Yeah.

[00:27:38] Jeffrey Besecker: On a new foot, you know, stepping out literally onto a new foot.

[00:27:43] as long as we're not using that playground as a method of avoidance.

[00:27:50] Jonah Jensen: Right. Fine line there.

[00:27:52] Jeffrey Besecker: That we're not sinking so far into escapism that we're disconnected and unable to form that new relationship.

[00:28:00] Jonah Jensen: Yeah, I think that's part of the, Right, The education part on our, you know, for me is like, no, we have the Dao,, right?

[00:28:07] We have expansion, contract and neutral or the spirit. And then when we're doing the earth based work, the trauma work or the healing work, then those maps are provided that this is to be more contactful with our experience, not less. It's providing more of a capacity for, um, being with life as it is so that life can be as it is through us.

[00:28:32] So it's like letting life be alive through us. So that includes the trauma, that includes the, the deeply contractive sort of harder to experiences that can start to, to move and become. And, every time as a trauma sequences, it, gets us into greater degrees of our essential self. Like compassion, dignity, courage, steadfastness.

[00:29:00] Still a space. These are all sort of the essential qualities of the itself that arise through our sequencing of, of what we couldn't stay with what we were. And it's no fault of our own. It's in design. I think like there was a reason why we didn't have enough resource for some reason to digest a certain event happened in the past.

[00:29:22] So when we start to be able to do that, then we become more of who we really are. I think. So it just said never ending sort of right

[00:29:33] Jeffrey Besecker: as we are, you know, we ourselves all, all essence. Never ending. Never ending. Where do we put our perspective on that to align with it? Do we look at that never -endingness as a or do we look at that never ending as the infinite potential?

[00:29:50] It truly might

[00:29:51] Jonah Jensen: be. Yeah, yeah. Exactly. It, you know, it's, staying in the discovery. staying curious while the experiences are happening is this sort of fundamental, to mindfulness. So you could say like, the somatic work is depth mindfulness. It's, it's being highly skilled at being with what is tracking the in and out or psyche.

[00:30:14] Your experience while it's happening, I think allows more of life. So this is like actually the complete opposite of avoidance. It's how deeply can we be in contact with life? Mm.

[00:30:28] Jeffrey Besecker: And so often, what are we doing? We're distracting ourselves. With devices we're distracting ourself with vices. We won't go too far down that conversation today.

[00:30:39] But ironically, our electronic devices are funneling electrical current towards us, not only in our homes and environments, but incidentally via our handheld devices as well. Leading strong cadence to getting outside, getting away and simply getting unplugged. Yeah. Clearing out some of that clutter not only in our brains, but also in our very real energetic field.

[00:31:08] Jonah Jensen: Yeah. and what, you know, just to flow with you is what arises, for people to be able to have a direct experience of what we're talking about can be pretty simple, but once you get a taste of it, I think you, you start to remember that there's just this ocean of, of wellness and, and she's in her own balance and mother, mother eras that is holding us and is us too, both.

[00:31:35] So in a way a job, my job feels simple is to orient to, the outer psyche and track my inner psyche often, especially in the natural world. And yeah, to step away from hours and hours of being in front of the phone, in the computer, and, you know, choosing to use that as a tool. More connection to protect, life and our relatives, to non-human kind, , and uh, to include to, you know, when I think once we feel included by the natural world and, and the non-human world, once we feel that again, then I think naturally we want that more.

[00:32:17] We wanna protect that more family to

[00:32:19] You know, loneliness is such a thing, right? And modernity, everybody. So much loneliness. I'm never lonely, never

[00:32:27] Jeffrey Besecker: longer. They're in that regard, you know?

[00:32:30] Sometimes we look at getting outside as being for the birds.

[00:32:34] You know that saying that's for the birds? Well, perhaps one notion of that is, is that we are out there simply relating with the birds in that regard, sharing that energy, sharing that space. You know, we think so much of our interaction, our sense of fulfillment, only coming from human interaction. Right?

[00:32:57] Right. We think about our pets, what deep love and connection we feel when we connect and nurture them, when they give that love and nurture back. Mm-hmm. Man's best friend is what a dog, according to most bylaws of human existence, Uhhuh We've, we've equated that consciously to say, one of our greatest resources in life is that, Connection with our more primal animal

[00:33:25] Jonah Jensen: source.

[00:33:26] Mm-hmm. . Yeah. And just, you know, to name, be careful with, when we talk about we, you know, there are people out there. Yeah. People especially like more indigenous, um, cultures that do know everything that we're saying and and beyond. And , you know, I think there has been a disconnect and some of us are remembering and, you know, in that remembering, in that felt sense of belonging and the, this is such a disillusion of loneliness, like that starts to go away.

[00:34:00] There's a ton of grief in that. Mm-hmm. , you know, there's just so much grief. And, grief work is a big deal. You know, now for good reason. we need grief as a practice, I think, during these times. And, uh, Steven Jenkinson is the kind of the leader that way. Martin PR is two teachers that I really value as elders.

[00:34:24] for, for that reality. You know, that the awakening process isn't all roses. Right. It's, it comes with a lot of grief as we wake up to what's real, what's going on, you know? Mm.

[00:34:39] Jeffrey Besecker: We're often not cognizant of the many ways we experience that grief. Yeah. Right. That sense of loss, that sense of lonely, that sense of longing.

[00:34:50] Jonah Jensen: Yeah. Yeah. And to get skilled at really being in contact with the qualities of that is informative and it, it, it really shows us that it's our love, you know? That our grief is our love and grief is a very deep form and primal con, uh, it's a primal connection. It's a primordial force. I think grief is simply holding

[00:35:16] Jeffrey Besecker: reverence for it and respecting it for what it is.

[00:35:20] Jonah Jensen: Yeah. And allowing it to kind of flow through the system like a wave. You know, my teacher lay John Chi is like a polarity master, you know, biodynamic, somatics, polarity, but used to always just say, you know, grief is like a wave. It comes and it rises and it will crest. And if we can kind of stay in our body, stay with it.

[00:35:43] Like fill your butt on the ground, right? Especially the real life on the earth. And let it wave through and it'll crest and it'll kind of go back down again. And it may repeat, and of course, it's better to have real humans with you, a group to grieve properly. But just for those listening, you know, if you have grief, see if you can fill it as a, as a sensation, as a force.

[00:36:08] Maybe even drop the content, like the content's gonna access the grief. But you could play with, can I just fill it as a force, as a sensation, as a quality, and let it wave through and sort of inform my psyche when I've done that, Um, and continue to do that. It informs me of how much I care about life, how much I love life.

[00:36:32] You know, I love this planet. I love the mystery. It's amazing. And that could recently, I was kinda feeling like, wow, it's almost like we have to fight for what's already here, right. In the psyche. Like it's already here that, you know,

[00:36:48] Jeffrey Besecker: sometimes we grieve the loss of that sense of innocence in that regard.

[00:36:54] Right?

[00:36:54] Jonah Jensen:Yeah. It is. Childlike.

[00:36:57] Jeffrey Besecker: Yeah. And as we feel that kind of brokenheartedness, we hear that kind of well-worn phrase, time heals all things. Mm-hmm. , what better way to spend some of that time, but just simply reconnecting with yourself and your source in nature. Yeah.

[00:37:16] Jonah Jensen: Yeah. I mean, I think it's, you know, we're getting to the root. I mean, just as I talk to you, I feel more still, I'm tracking more stillness. I dunno if you can feel it, but, And then when the grief shows up, I think we're getting closer

[00:37:31] in a good, in the best way. You know, that's like almost being happy about when, when the grief shows up. Mm-hmm. , that means you're, somethings there's some truth happening, I think, closer to it

[00:37:49] Jeffrey Besecker: and what a wonderful truth that can be. .

[00:37:54] Jonah Jensen: Right. Yeah. I

[00:37:56] Jeffrey Besecker: think we've touched everything we need to touch today, my friend Jonah.

[00:38:01] Thank you. Is there anything you feel we've left, unsaid today?

[00:38:05] Jonah Jensen: Well, I think, you know, one thing that just arose is just, you know, a voice. for me, giving a voice to all of, all of my relatives, all my relationships, and especially a voice to the non-human dimension, the natural world, and the, the loss that's happening across the planet that way. And, um, to help people.

[00:38:30] You know, the big part of my purpose is to, to help people, you know, myself and others, feel their good hardness, feel, and know that the earth is here and taking care of them and is loving them all the time. And, and reconnecting with that, deep sort of hearted belonging. There's a natural desire to protect what we love.

[00:38:55] And I think that's the activist side of me, the warrior, the warrior side, the gritty part that's, um, there's a healthy kind of standing up and saying no when we need to say no to things. Mm-hmm. for the rights of all of our relatives and our indigenous, human brothers and sisters across the planet or already deeply in this knowing.

[00:39:20] so yeah, sort of, I think just touching on. The healing dimension and also how action can arise from our deep connection. Mm-hmm. that can be inclusive to, and it kind of eliminate the enemy thing. There's no enemy, it's just that we have a right to say no when something we love is being harmed or disrespected.

[00:39:43] And then even that, where that harm is coming from, we can all start to include that even, which is kind of a radical, you know, and there are many people that can do that so that we don't get into like where we're creating enemies, but we can say no clearly. And um, yeah. And then the last little bit is just to share that, you know, I'm available through Zoom.

[00:40:09] I see people. And do the somatic experiencing through Zoom, um, internationally, nationally, and, um, that I can give these, I can support people with these tools to then go out to nature all. So we do the trauma work through Zoom, but also I can kind of give you homework if you're interested in this earth-based work.

[00:40:31] And then I see people here in TAs, New Mexico for the in-person, uh, land-based immersions where we do like a two-day or one-day immersion where I'm, uh, guiding people out on, on walks or journeys and educating, little bit teaching and tracking skills and recording whatever's going on in their life, you know, for, for healing.

[00:40:54] So yeah.

[00:40:55] Jeffrey Besecker: what a beautiful quarter of the universe. To partake in that

[00:40:59] Jonah Jensen: activity. . Yeah. Yeah, it's amazing. We're close to hot springs and yeah, it still has that relational wisdom with the bubble. And would you know very and

[00:41:13] Jeffrey Besecker: very, Yeah. Primordial would be my word for it. Primordial

[00:41:20] Jonah Jensen: Yeah. It's got, the living memory is still intact here. The essence

[00:41:26] Jeffrey Besecker: is alive. . . Well, I want to thank you, Jonah, for this connection to today. Yeah. I truly have felt that love and energy flowing today. Thank you. Thank you. I'm so grateful for this opportunity. Thank you.

[00:41:42] Jonah Jensen: To share your knowledge and your wisdom.

[00:41:45] Likewise. Thank you.